Plinking?? Well kinda.. Depends on your point of view

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Re: Plinking?? Well kinda.. Depends on your point of view

Postby Shadow on Thu 23 Jul, 2009 11:44 pm

OK... It's Friday in some parts of the world. I will likely not have Internet for the next few days, so I'll post my comments on the picture now.

To explain - The following is what I sent back to a buddy, who sent the picture to me last monday and asked me some questions about it. My reply back to him is copied, verbatim, below. There is a little background humor, but not worth sharing, since my friend deals with much bigger ordnance. I realize the reply is long, but he's on a different wavelength, so I was a little wordy. :oops:

To all who ventured into replying in this thread. I believed this picture may create some thought processes, so that's what I found interesting about it. I'd say there are no perfect answers to the questions I posed, except for the ranging. Actually, the ranging was simplistic, since the picture made it rather easy - if the math is clear, it's a decent example. :mrgreen:

Actually, a lot would happen in the first 3 seconds after pulling the trigger in my solution (to take the shot). :rl:

Here is the reply I sent:
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Hi John…
Well, another picture – you Navy guys are a hoot (just kidding). Where did you gin this one up? I assume you gleaned it from a web site? Some Sniper site, maybe? Most of that stuff is a Internet speak, but there are some good ones, I guess. Anyway, since you asked, the answers to your questions are fairly simple. My analysis is based on my experience, etc. and likely there are many opinions on what to do, based solely on the picture.

After I send this to you, I’m going to post it on my favorite web forum. It’ll be interesting to see how some of the members analyze the picture. I’ll not divulge the name of the Forum, cuz you just probably join it to clone my reply to you. That would be an evil trick.

AND, Since it’s only a picture the only possible wrong answer is “the range to target”.


First – I’d immediately get the ranging and set the scope for a “ready to shoot” stance. Then watch a while to see what transpires.

The range to target is 278 yards away.
You’d know that because you have all that trick Navy equipment. But, I just do the math…Oh yeah…you wouldn’t be able to use your tricked up stuff, since it’s only a picture…LOL

To explain - The ToO centered in the scope (in white) has about a 1.3 mil exposure. He has a 10" head (trust me on that), so I’d calculate 1 mil for head, and subtract appx. .3 mil (from the 1.3 mil) for the turban/towel (or whatever).

On paper (or from memory, in my case) to solve for Distance (in yards)….divide 1000/36, which = 27.777; So: Formula is:

height of target in inches X 27.78 = Distance in yards
X Mils

Calculations are:
10" = 10 X 27.78 = 277.8 yards rounded = 278 yards.
1 (Mil).


More intel:.
Based on only the picture; I say the shooter has an M110 (since rifle has an illuminated scope), which means a 7.62, with 175gr. M118LR in the mag. Not your super precision bolt action and while it would be an easy shot (for some), the odds of making a cranial shot at that range is risky (for most) with that weapon. I’d go for the safe(r) hits. More on that later.

Would I take the shot? NOPE.
Based on the picture – it would appear that this group are probably not active terrorists – no weapons are visible. They’re probably just local Iraqis trying to work something out, or earn an honest living. But, I’d watch them for any nefarious activity. It’s easier to speculate on what was real (in the picture) cuz, the “shooter” took the time to take a "I’m gonna post this to the web" picture. He obviously wasn’t concerned about doing HIS job at the time.

However, if the activity changed, to one of aggressive (armed) or IED activity - I’d take the shot(s). Could probable get 3, before the others krapped in their pants.


Who FIRST and WHERE?
I’d shoot the guy in white, FIRST,
because he would appear to the the “main guy”. Take the shot just a hair left of his right shoulder blade (center mass). Not go for a head shot. Then, a REAL Quick followup shot – shoot the guy on all fours in the left hip; THEN Quicker, yet, third shot in the back (center mass) of the guy with the striped shirt. To get all three, it’s a natural 45deg sweep downward. IF first three were good hits, they will die; and chances are the last four would be eating dirt. The loose garb on the four standing complicates (a little) trying to take them out first. But, if they stick their heads up – they’re toast..

That’s my solution to the picture. Spoken like a true Internet Ninja….
Have a good flight, Amigo. See ya in about four days or so.
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Re: Plinking?? Well kinda.. Depends on your point of view

Postby DEDMNKY on Fri 24 Jul, 2009 4:51 am

Well i wasn't too far off after i redid my math still wasn't perfect though but not too bad thanks for racking our brains shadow that was fun we should try and get somemore of this stuff on here and maybe my math would improve :cheer:
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Re: Plinking?? Well kinda.. Depends on your point of view

Postby PRE-EMPTIVE STRIKE on Fri 24 Jul, 2009 5:34 am

Well, it looks like I ace'd it, if you guys ever need some help figuring out some other stuff, just let me know :det: Now I feel like a Jedi-Shadow, with all the knowledge and skill in the world :ninja:

I think I'll take my .22 to the range tomorrow and start plinking apples at 1,500 meters, I'll upload the video for you guys when I get back :nuts: :lol: :roll:

Anyway, thanks Shadow, that was a fun little brain teaser, feel free to challenge us again :bow: :bow: :bow:
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Re: Plinking?? Well kinda.. Depends on your point of view

Postby paulyfly on Fri 24 Jul, 2009 10:04 pm

I gave him a 7.5 inch head! lol

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Re: Plinking?? Well kinda.. Depends on your point of view

Postby yamahawr400 on Sun 11 Oct, 2009 12:02 am

does scope maginfication affect these calculations at all in regards to how big the target looks in the mils? is this done with the scope on the lowest setting? just curious
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Re: Plinking?? Well kinda.. Depends on your point of view

Postby Shadow on Sun 11 Oct, 2009 4:50 pm

yamahawr400 wrote:does scope maginfication affect these calculations at all in regards to how big the target looks in the mils? is this done with the scope on the lowest setting? just curious


Yes, scope magnification affects accurate ranging.

Never use the lowest power setting for accurate ranging with a MilDot. On practically all MidDot scopes, you do your ranging at the highest magnification (if it's a variable power scope), since the scope manufacturer typically has the scope designed as such.

If the scope is a fixed power, it obviously isn't an issue - just measure a known target size (head, torso, etc.), then do the math, to determine the range. Or one can use a MilDot Master Slide Rule to do the math. Personally, I do the math in my head.
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Re: Plinking?? Well kinda.. Depends on your point of view

Postby Ottomain989 on Sun 11 Oct, 2009 8:17 pm

so i missed the cutoff to get my reply in in time before shadow answered but im gonna post my thoughts anyways

first thing is observation as there is no PID of hostile act/intent.

Call higher to notify of situation, request predator UAV for better observation. Predators carry two hellfire missiles. more than enough considering how close targets are to each other.

was gonna say they are close because of size of targets in scope.

I was also gonna say M16 type platform. The charging handle blur gives it away. The XM110 is a great weapon. semi auto is absolutely needed for this many targets. also call shots and have spotter pick up two with his M16. Leaves one running. my experience is that hodgie will almost always run, not duck for cover. easy follow up to get the runner with the XM110
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Re: Plinking?? Well kinda.. Depends on your point of view

Postby yamahawr400 on Tue 13 Oct, 2009 9:12 am

thanks shadow, much obliged for the info :bow:
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Re: Plinking?? Well kinda.. Depends on your point of view

Postby Hognuts on Fri 01 Jan, 2010 7:15 pm

INTERESTING LITTLE SCENARIO, WHAT WOULD BE WRONG WITH ZEROING IN ON THE GUY IN THE WHITE AND FLIPPING THE SELECTOR SWITCH TO :D AND MAKE SURE YOU HAVE PLENTY OF AMMO HANDY AND THEN SPRAY AND PRAY. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: OF COURSE AFTER VERIFYING THAT THEY WERE ENGANGEABLE TARGETS.
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Re: Plinking?? Well kinda.. Depends on your point of view

Postby Shadow on Fri 01 Jan, 2010 7:23 pm

Hognuts wrote:INTERESTING LITTLE SCENARIO, WHAT WOULD BE WRONG WITH ZEROING IN ON THE GUY IN THE WHITE AND FLIPPING THE SELECTOR SWITCH TO :D AND MAKE SURE YOU HAVE PLENTY OF AMMO HANDY AND THEN SPRAY AND PRAY. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: OF COURSE AFTER VERIFYING THAT THEY WERE ENGANGEABLE TARGETS.


Or..... 40MM ...... [Yeah, I know that's old school...]. Besides, it was only 280yds or so... :drill:
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Re: Plinking?? Well kinda.. Depends on your point of view

Postby Hognuts on Sat 02 Jan, 2010 2:57 am

I LIKE YOUR METHOD OF CONVERTING YARDS TO INCHES, MY WAY IS MUCH MORE COMPLICATED MATH, I JUST WAS TAKING YOUR MEASUREMENTS AND PUTTING 10 DIVIDED BY 36 WHICH GIVES YOU .27777777778 THEN MULTIPLYING THAT BY 1000 WHICH GETS YOU TO THE SAME POINT, BUT YOUR METHOD SEEMS MORE FIELD PRACTICAL AND LESS DECIMAL POINTS TO PLAY WITH. I WOULD LIKE TO GET BETTER AT RANGE ESTIMATING BOTH WITH AND WITHOUT THE USE OF MIL DOT SCOPE. THE ONE PLACE WHERE I HAVE HAD THIS PROBLEM IS DURING THE COMPETITION MY BROTHER AND I WENT TO THERE WERE RANDOM SIZED AND UNKNOW DISTANCE METAL TARGETS THAT MADE FOR DIFFICULT RANGING, THEY WERE ANWHERE FROM 300 - 1000 YARDS AWAY, DO YOU HAVE ANY TRICKS TO SHARE? MY DIGITAL RANGE FINDER IS GOOD OUT TO ABOUT 600-650 YDS, AFTER THAT IT IS HIT OR MISS.
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